Eerste indrukken van de nieuwe D3 gebruikers.

[RobMitchell]

Re: Eerste indrukken van de nieuwe D3 gebruikers.

maybe a bit off-topic but I've been doing research this afternoon into RAW converters for the D3 files.

Nothing scientific, I should add but based on the working situation we're in.

1st up,
Bibble pro.

It seems intuitive, browser, main screen and adjustment tools.
It's fast at processing too.
However, my overall feel of Bibble is that it's something that's been programmed a long time ago and things have just been added and added until it's got to where it is today. There are so many plugins installed, it's confusing. They can all be switched off to clean up the UI but it still has a strange "home-made" feel to it.
Like all the latest converters it offers effects and tricks to replace the basic editing features that photographer would use in Photoshop. The problems is, I don't feel I have the same control there as I do in Photoshop for final editing and pre-press work.
A nice package, reasonable price. The demo is for 14 days and I will be trying it some more.

2nd up.
Lightroom.

PSG suggested this. I'd seen it action briefly before and thought it would be an over-kill for the type of work we're doing.
I was pleasantly surprised though, it's very intuitive, the tools can be customized, like Bibble you have print:contact sheet and web publication options. Very handy for quick presentations to clients.
It's processing isn't as fast as Bibble but it is very CPU hungry. It feels over-engineered for what it actually does.

3rd up.
CS3 + bridge

I like the workflow here, browse in Bridge, select, delete and then move to ACR. I just don't like the Adobe plugin converter. It's much improved for speed and features but I just can't get on with it.

4th up.
NX

I'm so frustrated with this. I want it to be good, I want it to be the best. Nikon made it for their cameras, It has to be the best option...
It's just plain ugly and painfully slow to use. I can't see this being used in the way we need it, fast and efficiently. It's just damn frustrating.

My colleague was doing some conversions today and he was consistently more impressed with the Lightroom output. Again, no science here, just pure feeling and feel of the final processed image.

So far we're both sold on Lightroom, I'm still hoping Bibble will pull through and offer something that makes me choose that, mainly because it's so fast.
Capture one 4 could be a surprise still though.

NX... well, that's there incase we really need to feel that Brand loyalty

[Kevlar]

Re: Eerste indrukken van de nieuwe D3 gebruikers.

For lightroom you have to tweak the settings a bit.

For example try ti create the previews but also the 1on1 previews from time to time when you are not doing anything. LR gets alot more responsive if you do this.

What can save you alot of time also is applying a preset to your images on import. That preset of course being what you normally do with your images. Files will give a better idea of how good they are on first view and you'll need less processing time.

If wanted you can even calibrate your camera to your taste and have this also applied automatically.

I personally see LR as an improved bridge. Since you can as easily go to PS from LR as you can from bridge. And if you put your normal processing in PS in an action this is again something which LR can launch for you immediately and save even more time.

[RobMitchell]

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I've just loaded the new capture One V4..

I think the programmers were the guys who made Lightroom, or.. the Lightroom programmers made C1V4

They are virtual clones of each other!

[PSG]

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I've just loaded the new capture One V4..

I think the programmers were the guys who made Lightroom, or.. the Lightroom programmers made C1V4

They are virtual clones of each other!

Or they just copied it. They have been working on the lightroom interface for over a year so they had plenty of time.
My favorite thing in lightroom is the way you can click in the image and adjust the tone just by dragging.
Did they steal that too??

[PSG]

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I personally see LR as an improved bridge.

I only use the bridge for one thing. To close it when i've opened it by mistake.

[PSG]

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I've just loaded the new capture One V4..

I had a go as well.
My pictures showed better in C1 4 and the final rendering was also better. They use an aggressive default sharpening though.
Nevertheless, that isn't the whole story, as some details did come out better.

For creative editing and workflow, I still prefer Lightroom.
Tonal adjustments just work much easier and better.
The thing I missed the most was the vignette correction.
I use it to add a vignette.

[RobMitchell]

Re: Eerste indrukken van de nieuwe D3 gebruikers.

I had a go as well.
My pictures showed better in C1 4 and the final rendering was also better. They use an aggressive default sharpening though.
Nevertheless, that isn't the whole story, as some details did come out better.

For creative editing and workflow, I still prefer Lightroom.
Tonal adjustments just work much easier and better.
The thing I missed the most was the vignette correction.
I use it to add a vignette.

The same findings here. Default is sharpening 'on' and it's aggressive. I switched it off as I prefer to do that later.
Lens correction was the next thing that bothered me in C1. Or lack of options there.
It is the 'lite' version of capture one pro though, and for €99, great value I think. Capture one Pro 4 is on the way, it will be more powerful, but it'll also cost a lot more..
I feel more at home in C1, but I also feel it's a chopped down version of 'pro'
We're still leaning towards Lightroom, because it's all there, workflow is good and the render speed isn't bad at all.

[Dirtyharry71]

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persoonlijk ben ik content van Capture NX
ik kan werken in lagen zoals in CS2
die U-control points zijn echt interessant
en qua snelheid valt da nog mee
de D300 en D3 files zijn natuurlijk stuk groter dan mijn D70 files
(heb wel al NEF's van beide geopend met 1.3)
't is denk ik eerder een kwestie van gewoonte

[RobMitchell]

Re: Eerste indrukken van de nieuwe D3 gebruikers.

en, terug <op onderwerp> (Is that correct Dutch/Flemish??)


The Tamron 28-75mm + D3 =

He's the sharpest lens in the village

Works perfectly fine on the D3, much to my surprise.

[Dirtyharry71]

Re: Eerste indrukken van de nieuwe D3 gebruikers.

zou graag es ervaringen horen over de Nikkor 17-35 2.8 op den D3

[Nickon]

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Hij bevalt prima, wat wil je weten ?

Meerwaarde tov. d2x ? -> absoluut met hogere ISO. Je kunt er onder wat minder belichting echt veel meer mee als met de D2x (die ik overigens heb ingeruild). H

Die inruiling, hoe heb je dit gedaan?
Ik fotografeer namelijk ook in zeer licht arme omgevingen (kerken, ,toneelvoorstellingen, donkere zalen in gemeentehuizen etc.).
Wat ik tot nu toe gezien heb van de D3 "blows me away". Gewoonweg fantastisch. Ik had graag mijne D2X gehouden maar mijn vrouw denkt er anders over... Hoe is jouw deal verlopen?

BTW, mijne D2X is in perfecte staat (mijn kinderen moeten 3 meter van het toestel verwijderd blijven - ik zet mijn vrouw in de koffer en mijn toestel op de passagierszetel kwestie van het toestel geen temperatuur shock te laten oplopen)

[Jos Vanhengel]

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... The Tamron 28-75mm + D3 = He's the sharpest lens in the village Works perfectly fine on the D3, much to my surprise.

Een Tamron op een D3?
Kán dit wel Rob? Moet daar dan geen Nikkor opgeschroefd worden?

Dit doet me denken aan het verhaal over de Daf-motor, die op een Rolls-Royce dient om de ruitenwissers aan te drijven.

[RobMitchell]

Re: Eerste indrukken van de nieuwe D3 gebruikers.

Een Tamron op een D3?
Kán dit wel Rob? Moet daar dan geen Nikkor opgeschroefd worden?

Dit doet me denken aan het verhaal over de Daf-motor, die op een Rolls-Royce dient om de ruitenwissers aan te drijven.

Jos.. This isn't just any Tamron.. This is THE Tamron The only good one they made
I don't have the photos at home, they're still at the studio. Otherwise I'd upload some. To be honest, I was getting ready to sell the Tamron because I just assumed it would be no good on the D3. However, I was stunned to see 2 things.

1) It worked
2) It worked much better than expected.

I had no time today to really test it out but I'm pretty sure if I posted the pics with no EXIF nobody would know if they were shot with the Tamron 28-75mm or the Nikon 24-70mm

[Franciskine]

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Zo, effe alle off topic berichten verwijderd zodat er weer gepraat kan worden over het eigenlijke onderwerp.
Misschien toch even vermelden dat dit forum open staat voor iedereen, NERGENS staat in de forumregels te lezen dat de voertaal verplicht Nederlands is. Je overtreedt dus geen regels door een andere taal te gebruiken.

[marbico]

Re: Eerste indrukken van de nieuwe D3 gebruikers.

en, terug <op onderwerp> (Is that correct Dutch/Flemish??)


The Tamron 28-75mm + D3 =

He's the sharpest lens in the village

Works perfectly fine on the D3, much to my surprise.

Maar voor sport te traagggggggg.