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**Sunbeer** · 10 december 2007, 12:43

Re: Bewerking foto's Dave Hill, ...

Hier een tutorial:

http://www.flickr.com/groups/strobist/discuss/72157594577686705/

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Bij mij geeft het wisselende resultaten...

**VsTrash** · 10 december 2007, 15:36

Re: Bewerking foto's Dave Hill, ...

Ik ben ook nog niet verdergeraakt dan de tutorial op flickr. Als je achter de schermen kijkt bij dave hill denk ik dat er v��l meer aan de hand is.

**Arousal** · 10 december 2007, 15:46

Re: Bewerking foto's Dave Hill, ...

Het is niet alleen de bewerking bij zijn foto's h�, ook concept, modellen, setting....

**truckdiver** · 10 december 2007, 15:53

Re: Bewerking foto's Dave Hill, ...

heb het nog niet geprobeerd maar het zou er op moeten trekken
First things first. Get the lighting correct on the shot. This is most important. However, we are in the retouching forum so I'll move on to that.

Step 1 - Increase the highlights

Go to your channels and select the blue channel. Copy this channel by dragging it to the 'New Channel' icon. You should have something called 'Blue copy'.
Do a curve adjustment so that the white highlights are more pronounced and the mid tones and shadows drop to black.
Make white your foreground colour and then click Select>Colour Range. Slide the fuzziness slider till it looks like you have picked a good range of highlights.
Go back to RGB mode by clicking RGB channels
Go back to your layers now and add a new layer over the top of your photo.
Press ALT-backspace. This should fill your selection with white.
change the layer mode to overlay, soft-light or hard-light depending on the amount of shininess.
It is sometimes a good idea to slightly blur this layer.
Add a mask and paint away the areas of highlights which look unappealing.

Increase Sharpness

I find it's best to make a copy of the original photo and do a heavy high pass filter on it. The radius should be set so that not too much colour is showing in the high pass result, but you have good definition in the skin pores and eye details, etc.
Change this to Overlay mode, and adjust the opacity so that you have a general good feel to the sharpening.
Use a mask and a soft, low flowing brush to slowly paint back any areas that are over sharpened.

Shadows

I don't like the burn tool as it can cause some bad colouration to the skin. A better method is create a new layer and fill it with 50% grey (press Alt-F5 and select 50% gray). Change the mode to overlay

Use a soft black slow flowing brush to paint in some of the shadows. You can also use white to bring out some highlights but not too much on a male as it will start to look too soft.

Optional - on the flattened image

If you have the luxury of the Lucis Arts plugin, run 'whyeth' a little too. This will really add to the highlights and exaggerate the ruggedness.

If you have the luxury of Photomatix, then run a tone mapping adjustment which will also add a sort of HDR look to it (without of course being true HDR)

All that is left to do now is curve adjustments to get a good contrast and you should be pretty close.

Both of these look a lot like the stuff by Dave Hill (www.davehillphoto.com).

**maGuy** · 10 december 2007, 19:39

Re: Bewerking foto's Dave Hill, ...

Just a moment...

https://www.retouchpro.com/forums/photo-retouching/17897-demystification-dave-hill-let-s-all-help.html

Hier doet hij zelf ook een klapke mee, geloof ik

**nicodejong** · 10 december 2007, 19:51

Re: Bewerking foto's Dave Hill, ...

heb je hier wat aan?

http://enigma-photos.com/LucisArtTutorial/index.htm

**jtp** · 10 december 2007, 21:00

Re: Bewerking foto's Dave Hill, ...

Bedankt allemaal!
Ik ben er zeker van dat er dingen tussenzitten die in de buurt komen, ik ga me er eens mee bezig houden!

**kristofpattyn** · 10 december 2007, 22:20

Re: Bewerking foto's Dave Hill, ...

Het eerste wat leidt tot een Dave Hill look is de manier van belichten. Als dit niet goed zit dan kan zelfs de postprocessing daar weinig aan verhelpen. Het licht komt uit alle richtingen in zijn foto's. Wraparound lighting als het ware. Meestal gebruikt hij grids links rechts en boven en nog een beauty dish of ringflash. Deze manier van belichten wordt versterkt door zijn postprocessing.

Groeten Kristof

**frestrobbe** · 16 december 2007, 21:12

Re: Bewerking foto's Dave Hill, ...

Dave Hill giet een sausje over zijn beelden dat voor de moment erg 'in' is, de high pass filter.
de belichting die hij gebruikt en het photoshop werk achteraf maken de highlights keihard en het detail in de donkere partijen trekt hij met curves of levels achteraf weg door deze donkerder te zetten.
veel van z'n beelden lijken mij ook composities waar meerdere elementen en een andere achtergrond zijn aan toegevoegd, volgens mij ook een deel CGI

wel zeer knap werk maar ik zou graag ook wat beelden zien waar hij dat sausje achterwege laat en de beelden natuurlijk laat ogen, de foto zijn mooi en hebben dat truukje echt niet altijd nodig.
binnen een paar jaar is dat toch achterhaald en uit de mode

**Fotofolio** · 18 december 2007, 22:14

Re: Bewerking foto's Dave Hill, ...

Laat Dave Hill, Dave Hill zijn zonder dat er weer 100den copy-cats zijn stijl willen benaderen.

Vind het allemaal een beetje raar ... sommigen op Flickr zitten al uren, maanden en bijna jaren zijn methode te doorgronden en opeens zijn ze er erg verrassend dicht bij ... maar wat hebben ze dan bereikt? Een exacte kopie van een stijl die net Dave Hill zo uniek maakt

Een eigen stijl ontwikkelen is volgens mij stukken interessanter want wie weet wil iemand, ooit, jouw stijl kopi�ren

**paly** · 19 december 2007, 09:37

Re: Bewerking foto's Dave Hill, ...

't Is toch gewoon leerrijk om te zien en te weten hoe, om zo elementen te kunnen gebruiken in je 'eigen' stijl.

**truckdiver** · 19 december 2007, 09:51

Re: Bewerking foto's Dave Hill, ...

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Fotofolio Bekijk bericht

Laat Dave Hill, Dave Hill zijn zonder dat er weer 100den copy-cats zijn stijl willen benaderen.

Vind het allemaal een beetje raar ... sommigen op Flickr zitten al uren, maanden en bijna jaren zijn methode te doorgronden en opeens zijn ze er erg verrassend dicht bij ... maar wat hebben ze dan bereikt? Een exacte kopie van een stijl die net Dave Hill zo uniek maakt

Een eigen stijl ontwikkelen is volgens mij stukken interessanter want wie weet wil iemand, ooit, jouw stijl kopi�ren

tuurlijk ontwikkkeld ieder zijn eigen stijl maar dit gebeurd volgens mij alleen maar door eerst meerdere stijlen na proberen te doen ,en zo kennis krijgt om van alle elementen uit meerdere stijlen je eigen stijl voorkomt.

**Frederic De Smet** · 19 december 2007, 19:51

Re: Bewerking foto's Dave Hill, ...

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door truckdiver Bekijk bericht

tuurlijk ontwikkkeld ieder zijn eigen stijl maar dit gebeurd volgens mij alleen maar door eerst meerdere stijlen na proberen te doen ,en zo kennis krijgt om van alle elementen uit meerdere stijlen je eigen stijl voorkomt.

In dat geval krijg je meestal een kakafonie van stijlen waaruit zelden een sterke stijl vloeit.

Mvg,
Frederic

**PSG** · 19 december 2007, 20:05

Re: Bewerking foto's Dave Hill, ...

Oorspronkelijk geplaatst door Fotofolio Bekijk bericht

Een eigen stijl ontwikkelen is volgens mij stukken interessanter want wie weet wil iemand, ooit, jouw stijl kopi�ren

Wel, persoonlijk vind ik Fotofolio's stijl heel wat interessanter en subtieler dan Hill. Hill vind ik maar een gimmick. ; )

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